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Old 21st April 2009, 17:32
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Hello guys, I have experience a computer error, i hope someone could explain to me and give me some solution in this problem i have experience... Embarrassed

The computer is always restarting, my friend ask me if i can fix it,
When i open the computer it post the Start window normally / Last known good / and in the top is / safe mode, and even if you choose any of this option the computer will just restart and bring back in that screen..

i made my first move, i try to repair it, using window xp cd...then after the loading of files when it going to repair, it post a blue screen..0X000000#### like that, ive lost my notes, i wrote it but i lost it...i try it 3X and it always the same error...

i made my second move, i set another harddrive from another computer hoping it will boot properly, but it show this error ("Secondary Master Harddisk S.M.A.R.T Compatible but command failed")..but my jumper setting for the drive was correct,even i connect it in cable select...

i made my third move, i thought it was a error in the operating system and i dont have any idea how to fix it but to reformat, but before that i made a backup of it, i slave in another computer and make a backups of files using acronis2009... ok then i reformat the drive C: in another computer and it goes well until its done..then after that i put it back again in its original mboard,then i boot it again but its shows again the same error ( Start window normally / Last known good / and in the top is / safe mode )and always restarting..

in the end i just put the first harddisk(Barracuda120g)the one that i have formeted in other board for him to have a server..but the first board was not fixen,and i think i fix nothing after all of that..

i hope you guys can give idea about this,
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Old 21st April 2009, 18:49
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If Its Not Restarting A Givening A BSOD.

Then It Could Be What Happened To Mine, Im Not Clued Up On Computing And Stuff, But I Got Another Power Supply And It Worked Fine, Try Borrowing One And Swappng Them
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Old 21st April 2009, 18:50
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Hi,

Sounds fairly easy

Ok first thing I need you to answer are you using a complete OS INSTALL IMAGE or some hacked OS trimmed install like XP gamer.

Secondly I need that BLUE Screen here is why.


THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW ABOUT BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH IS THIS:

THe BSOD is NOT a microsoft error in fact it is an error reserved for VENDOR mistakes, it means a piece of hardware or a driver has done something so bad it violated ring 0 protection.

Now if you read that addess backwards, it actually tells your the DEVICE, IRQ, MEMSPACE that went wrong.

Basically its a giant sign telling you EXACTLY what went wrong.

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SMART Compatible failed means the drive does not conform to the motherboards idea of how SMART drive usage is reported. Its not a major error and can be ignored. It just means that the drive cant report wear and tear to the mother board.

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Next never install on one piece of hardware and then switch it out, during in stall windows builds the kernal with the exact drivers in Ring 1 that it needs for that hardware, pulling a switch will violate Ring 0 and of course send the Hardware Abstraction Layer into a total tail spin.


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NOW GET ME THE BSOD ERROR and we can fix this pretty easily.

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Old 21st April 2009, 18:51
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FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER HAD A BSOD,

1) BSODS ARE NOT AN MS ERROR THEY ARE A VENDOR AND HARD WARE ERROR

2) READ THIS:

Look & Learn. The error codes that appear along with the Blue Screen Of Death are not random collections of letters and numbers. Those codes mean something, and they will give you very important clues you can use to uncover the problem.

When you look at the BSOD, you will see it is divided into five sections. Three of these main sections are very important to finding a solution. The top section will contain the error code and parameters and should look like several random number groups. Carefully write down these codes exactly how they appear on-screen.

Next, go to the Microsoft Knowledge Base at the Microsoft Web site (http://www.microsoft.com, click Support, and then click Searchable Knowledge Base). The Knowledge Base contains many articles that explain specific Stop messages and resolutions to these problems. Search the Knowledge Base for the first hexadecimal number exactly as it appeared on your screen. The Knowledge Base will likely be able to return some information that can help you figure out what caused the problem and help you solve it.

The middle section of the BSOD should contain a list of all the drivers (programs that allow a hardware peripheral to communicate with the computer) that were running when the crash occurred. Many BSODs are caused by driver problems, so keep documentation of when you installed your drivers and what those drivers are for. This can go a long way toward helping you solve the problem. If you aren't sure and you are still having trouble, you may want to try uninstalling the most recent driver that you installed.

Finally, the bottom section of the BSOD will contain a dump of the memory modules that were on the memory stack at the time of the crash. These can be very important clues to solving your problem as well.



Understanding Stop 0xA. One of the most common BSOD errors is STOP 0x0000000A. This message, also known as Stop 0xA, indicates that a kernel (the main part of an operating system that handles the most basic but most important tasks, such as managing the computer's resources, starting programs, and keeping time; the kernel remains in memory after the operating system loads) mode process attempted to access a portion of memory in an IRQ (interrupt request line) that was too high.




Head to Microsoft's Knowledge Base to help crack those BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) error codes.
IRQs are communications routes within a computer that are reserved for carrying interrupt signals which tell the CPU (central processing unit) to halt its current task and await further instructions. Different computer components, such as modems, keyboards, mice, sound cards, and other devices, each have a special IRQ set aside for them to use. These IRQs are prioritized according to the importance of each device, so the most important interrupt requests are handled first. A low IRQ number means an important device will be able to override other devices. A kernel mode process can only access other processes that have an IRQ lesser than or equal to its own.

The most common cause of this error is a corrupt pointer (a variable used by a program to refer to a block of memory) that references an incorrect location in memory. If the variable has a bad value in it, a STOP 0x0000000A message will occur.

Hardware or software problems can cause the Stop 0xA message. The easiest way to diagnose the problem, therefore, is to recall whether or not you've recently added any new hardware or drivers. If so, go back and remove the hardware and driver. If that doesn't solve the problem, try updating all of your drivers if possible.

If you'd rather determine the exact cause of the Stop 0xA rather than remove anything from your system, you'll have to examine the message more thoroughly. You can determine which process or driver tried to access memory it shouldn't have by looking at the parameters displayed on the BSOD. As an example, Microsoft uses the following Stop message:

STOP 0x0000000A(0xWWWWWWWW, 0xXXXXXXXX, 0xYYYYYYYY, 0xZZZZZZZZ)

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

** Address 0xZZZZZZZZ has base at <address>- <driver>



The four parameters inside the parentheses have the following meaning:

•0xWWWWWWWW: Memory address that was referenced improperly

•0xXXXXXXXX: IRQ that was required to access the memory

•0xYYYYYYYY: Type of access: 0=Read, 1=Write

•0xZZZZZZZZ: Address of the instruction that attempted to reference the memory at 0xWWWWWWWW



If the last parameter falls within the address range of one of the drivers loaded on your system, you will know which device driver was running when the memory access occurred. This driver is often identified in the third line of the STOP screen: **Address 0xZZZZZZZZ has base at <address>- <driver name>. If <driver name> is a specific driver, search in the Microsoft Knowledge Base on the keyword 0x0000000A and the driver name for suggestions for solving this problem.



Other Common Errors. In all, there are 15 processor errors that can cause a BSOD. You can identify which one you have by looking at the code that immediately follows the words Fatal Exception. According to Microsoft, some of the most common errors include general protection faults, divide faults, and page faults.

General Protection Fault (13 OD). This occurs when anything happens that is not covered by any of the other processor exceptions. The exception indicates that the program has been corrupted in memory.

Divide Fault (00). You'll see this if a program tried to divide a value by zero or if the results of the operation do not fit in the destination operand. For example, the program was expecting a positive number and got a negative number instead.

Page Fault (14 OE). This occurs when you are running low on memory. A page fault allows the operating system to recover small code segments from temporary storage on your hard drive that were put there when memory resources started getting low. This error usually occurs whenever an application goes looking for a piece of itself in RAM (random-access memory) and cannot find it. The operating system will attempt to retrieve the missing page of code from your hard drive. If it is unsuccessful in doing so, you get the BSOD.

0x0000001E KMODE_EXCEPTION _NOT_HANDLED. This is a common error that can be caused by outdated drivers and hardware problems. Usually, the second parameter will point to the driver or function that caused the problem. Always note this address as well as the link date of the driver that contains this address.

0x00000051 REGISTRY_ERROR. In this case, something has gone wrong with the Registry (a database that contains informa tion about user preferences and system con figuration in Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows NT. It could indicate the Registry received an input/output error while attempting to read one of its files as a result of a hardware problem or file system corruption.

0x00000077 KERNEL_STACK_ INPAGE_ERROR. A bad memory block in a paging file or a disk controller error causes this error message. If the error is a result of a paging error, AUTOCHK will attempt to find the bad block the next time you boot up your system.

0x0000007B INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_ DEVICE. Here, your system is unable to access the boot device. Often, this indicates a disk controller configuration problem or an error in accessing the hard drive. It also may indicate that a virus has infected the boot sector.

0xC000009C and 0xC000016A. Both of these codes indicate a bad memory block on the hard drive.

0xC0000185. This code indicates that two devices are attempting to use the same IRQ, that there has been improper termination of a SCSI (Small Computer System Interface) device, or that there is bad SCSI cabling.

0x0000007F UNEXPECTED_ KERNEL_MODE_TRAP. This message may indicate a RAM problem, a BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) problem, or corrupted file system drivers. Make sure your RAM modules are of the same speed and type.

0x00000080 NMI_HARDWARE_FAILURE. When you see this message, a hardware error has occurred. Using nonparity memory in a parity-based system, mixing parity and nonparity memory, or bad RAM modules can cause this problem.

0x0000000A IRQL_NOT_ LESS_OR_EQUAL. A bad driver usually causes this error. Contact the manufacturer of the device that is causing the problem or visit its Web site for an updated or correct driver.



Don't Be Afraid. No matter what causes it, the Blue Screen Of Death is scary. However, don't let it shake you up too much because you can solve most BSOD problems. If you can't figure out the problem with Microsoft's Knowledge Base, give Microsoft's technical support a call. After all, they've had plenty of experience in this area.

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Old 21st April 2009, 19:08
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You Should Put That In A TuT And A TuT To Change Its Color RSOD Sounds Mucho Scaryo Then BSOD
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Old 21st April 2009, 19:30
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I think the only thing I would add to that if I made a tut was where I talk about the part that tells you which IRQ caused it.

I think I would add, boot in safe mode and see which device uses that IRQ thats your problem device.

Other than that I think its a good tut now, maybe It needs some formattting.

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Old 22nd April 2009, 05:27
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Default Problem:

(Blue Screen)
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

TECH INFO
***STOP:0x00000050

and:

it post

"secondary master harddisk S.M.A.R.T. command failed"
"compatible but command failed"
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Old 22nd April 2009, 05:30
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thank you very much sir for your ideas, , many thanks!
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Old 22nd April 2009, 09:52
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Hi,

SYMPTOMS

While you are installing the Windows operating system, your computer may stop responding (hang) while displaying the following error message on a blue screen:
STOP: 0x00000050
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

CAUSE

This error message may be caused by faulty memory (RAM) in your computer....This error message may be caused by faulty memory (RAM) in your computer.
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RESOLUTION

To resolve this issue, replace the faulty RAM.To resolve this issue, replace the faulty RAM.
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The faulty RAM could be located in any of several areas, including the secondary RAM cache, the video RAM, or the computer's main memory. To determine where the faulty RAM is located, use the following steps:
Disable all caching on your computer, including the CPU cache and L2 cache, in the computer's CMOS settings. For information about how to use your computer's CMOS configuration tool, please refer to your computer's documentation.

If you can successfully install Windows after disabling all caching, try re-enabling each cache, one at a time, to determine the area in which the faulty RAM is located. If you still receive the error message, continue to the next step.
Temporarily replace your video adapter. If you can install Windows after replacing the video adapter, the video adapter you replaced is faulty.
Temporarily replace the main memory installed in your computer. If the RAM in your computer consists of multiple SIMM modules, you may be able to swap SIMM modules to determine which has the faulty memory.

For example, if you have four modules of 8 megabytes (MB) each, remove two of the modules and try installing Windows again. If the Setup process still does not succeed, swap one of the SIMMs in the computer with one that you removed and try again. Continue this process to determine which of the SIMM modules contains the faulty memory.

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Old 22nd April 2009, 09:55
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Also if you give me the rest of the page fault it may even point to the faulty mem.
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thank you again sir for this info, and for explaining everything..
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